Encounters: The UFO Phenomenon, Exposed!/Encounters - The UFO Phenomenon, Exposed (1995).iso/misc1/misc080.txt

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Date: 21 Oct 1994 18:17:00 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Tom C. Wilcox)
Organization: Magic Online Services Toronto Inc.
Subject: Cooper Interview/Aliens/MJ-12


REPOST From The Internet


From: [e-mail] (Joseph Daniels)
groups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Underground Alien Facilities
Date: 24 Nov 92 02:26:00 GMT

To: [e-mail] (Author)

AU|I've been reading that there would be a number of underground facilities
  |for use by aliens in Arizona and New Mexico. Notably these facilities
  |would have been contructed underneath Native American Reservations. Is
  |there anyone out there who happens to know which reservations? Also I
  |would be interested to see if some of you, living in Arizona and New
  |Mexico, who have more information on this.
  `---------------------------------------------------------------------

  Here is a file I found on InfoNet that might answer some of your
  questions. UFO skeptic, Jacques Vallee is interrogating the
  Ex-Naval Intelligence Officer, Bill Cooper.

  (Vallee's questions are in Capitals and Cooper's answers are not.
   Valle is quite skeptical and is trying to make Cooper 'slip up',
   but in my opinion Cooper does a good job of answering all the
   questions.)

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                    THE BILL COOPER BRIEFING
          from the book "Revelations" by Jacques Vallee

I've read your recent interview (in the MUFON Journal) where  you
say  you  don't believe in MJ-12, so it made me  wonder  why  you
wanted this meeting. - Bill Cooper

THE  INTERVIEW WAS DONE BEFORE I MET JOHN LEAR, BUT I WILL  GRANT
YOU THAT MY POSITION HASN'T CHANGED THAT MUCH. I BELIEVE THERE IS
A UFO PHENOMENON WHICH IS PHYSICAL IN THE USUAL SENSE, BUT IT CAN
MANIPULATE  SPACE AND TIME IN WAYS I CERTAINLY DON'T  UNDERSTAND;
PERHAPS  THERE  ARE PEOPLE AROUND WHO UNDERSTAND  IT.  -  Jacques
Vallee

They do, but go on...

I FURTHER BELIEVE, AS DO YOU, THAT THE U.S. GOVERNMENT MUST  HAVE
BEEN  STUDYING  IT FOR YEARS. THAT DOES NOT MEAN  THAT  MJ-12  IS
REAL.  THERE  IS  A HALL OF MIRRORS ONE ENTERS  AS  SOON  AS  THE
INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY IS INVOLVED, AND WE'RE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE
OF IT. THEN I TALKED TO LINDA HOE AND FRED BECKMAN, BOTH OF  WHOM
RECOMMENDED  THAT  I LISTEN TO JOHN LEAR, WHO  IS  AN  IMPRESSIVE
FELLOW, AND HE SAID I SHOULD TALK TO YOU, AND HERE I AM.

I  became  involved in the UFO question as a  Naval  Intelligence
Man.  In  the period of 1971-72 I was ordered  to  brief  several
high-level officers about the contents of certain documents  that
were given to me. Those briefings had to do with the fact that  a
number of UFOs have been captured by the military and that  their
occupants  have been working along with our scientists.  We  have
entered into a treaty with them.

YOU  ARE GOING A LITTLE TOO FAST FOR ME. FIRST OF ALL,  WHAT  WAS
YOUR POSITION IN THE NAVY?

I  was  under  Admiral Clarey, as a member  of  the  Intelligence
briefing team.

WERE THE DOCUMENTS CLASSIFIED, AND AT WHAT LEVEL?

They were classified Top Secret/S.I.

WAS THERE A CODE WORD ATTACHED TO THEM?

MAJIC,  with a "J", was the code word. I am sure they changed  it
now.

HOW LONG WAS THE BRIEFING, AND WHERE WAS IT GIVEN?

There  were  several briefings, all of which took  place  at  the
Headquarters for Pacific Operations on the island of Hawaii.  The
building  overlooks Pearl Harbor. The first briefing was  a  two-
and-a-half-hour  general  overview,  then  there  were   periodic
updates as new information came to light.

WHY WERE THESE OFFICERS BEING BRIEFED?

Because  in  their operational capacity, they had  and  immediate
need to know. One, they might be required to recover some crashed
disks  in  the  future. Two, the UFOs might  be  misconstrued  as
offensive Soviet devices and fired upon, so they had to be  aware
of their existence.

WERE THERE INSTANCES WHEN THE UFOS POSED A REAL THREAT?

During  the Vietnam War a UFO shot down a B-52.  There were  also
cases when our troops were attacked by things they first  thought
were helicopters. There was some speculation at the time that the
Russians must have entered the war on the North Vietnamese  side,
so it became a pretty serious matter.

DID THE NAVY EVER PICK UP A DISK AFTER THAT?

There was an incident in which I was an actual witness, involving
the recovery of a craft that was later listed as a Soviet sub.  I
was in the command center when it happened, and I can assure  you
it was real.

HAVE YOU YOURSELF EVER SEEN AN ALIEN?

No.

HAVE YOU EVEN SEEN PART OF A CRASHED DISK?

No,  but  I  know two different men who were  assigned  to  guard
crashed disks and who have spoken to me.

HAVE YOU EVER SEEN UFOS YOURSELF?

Once,  in  the  late summer of 1966, I was on watch  on  board  a
submarine, the USS Tiru, SS-416, on the way to Seattle, and three
of  us saw a disk as large as an aircraft carrier rising  out  of
the  sea two and a half miles away on the port side. It rose  and
was lost in the clouds, then it came back down again.

DID IT DISTURB THE OCEAN?

Not  really, the water would glide around it, as if it was  drawn
by a force field.

WERE THERE BRIEFINGS GIVEN TO HIGH-ECHELON OFFICERS BEFORE 1971?

There must have been, given the information in the documents. The
text  stated  that the first secret project  was  established  at
Eisenhower's orders in 1953. Ike asked Rockefeller to help him in
setting  up  an organization that could conduct a  study  without
government  agencies  or Congress being aware of  the  situation.
Rockefeller   established  it  under  the  "Jasons",   an   elite
intellectual  group. The task force was composed of  twelve  men,
including  Kissinger, Dulles, Brzezinski, George Bush, and  eight
others,  who  became  known  as the  the  MJ-12  under  operation
Majority.

WHERE DID THEY MEET?

At  a place called the Country Club. This way they could  mention
it openly without anyone knowing what they were talking about. It
was  a piece of land in Maryland which Rockefeller had set  aside
for the Jasons. It was only accessible through the air.

AND  THE  INFORMATION THAT WAS KEPT SECRET HAD TO  DO  WITH  UFOS
SPECIFICALLY?

With  UFOs and with the Aliens. There are four types  of  aliens.
There are two kinds of "Grays", including one race, not  commonly
seen,  that has a large nose. Then there are the "Nordic"  types,
tall blonde Aryans, and finally the "Orange" ones.

WHERE DO THEY COME FROM?

I remember seeing several points of origin mentioned: Orion,  the
Pleiades, Betelgeuse, Barnard's star and Zeta Reticuli.

YOU MENTIONED WE HAD A TREATY WITH THEM?

Since 1964.

WHY  WOULD THEY GO TO THE TROUBLE OF ENTERING INTO A TREATY  WITH
US,  SINCE  THEIR  TECHNOLOGY IS FAR AHEAD  OF  OURS?  JOHN  LEAR
MENTIONED A BILLION YEARS.

They  needed  the  government  to  keep  their  presence  secret.
Remember,  we  had one of the Aliens in our  custody.  Our  radar
affected  their  navigation  system and threw  their  craft  off-
balance.

HOW ARE THEIR SHIPS POWERED?

With  a small nuclear reactor the size of a football. They use  a
space-time fold. I'm not a physicist, so I don't understand that.
Apparently  they  have  the ability to cloak  themselves,  to  go
invisible.

WHAT KIND OF METAL DO THEY USE?

In the early days it was pure magnesium. We couldn't duplicate it
at  the time, but now we could duplicate it in space, that's  why
there is so much interest in growing crystals in orbit. They  use
alloys that we can create on Earth but not with the same  pliable
structure.  Do  you know any of the astronauts? Ask  any  of  the
Apollo  astronauts about the moon. What they saw there. There  is
an Alien base on the dark side of the moon.

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE ALIEN THAT WAS CAPTURED?

He  died  in 1952 after being ill for one  year.  The  government
tried  to  save him. They broadcast messages into  space,  asking
that  his  people  come  and help. The result  of  that  was  the
Holloman  landing, on April 25, 1964, when another Alien came  to
work  with  our scientists. He gave us lots of  information.  The
Aliens  were  desperate  to have their  presence  on  Earth  kept
secret. We agreed to that, in exchange for their technology.  The
Aliens  were  given permission to conduct abductions.  They  said
they needed to do them on medical grounds. They were supposed  to
give MJ-12 the list of the humans they abducted. Then we began to
realize they lied to us.

WHERE ARE THE ALIENS NOW?

At  Area-51.  Everybody  thinks it is under control  of  the  Air
Force,  because it's at Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada.  But  in
reality  Area-51  is  under the Navy. The  Navy  has  operational
control  of field activities on this project. That also  includes
Area-2, which was originally built as an underground storage area
for the Atomic Energy Commission.

WHAT ABOUT GROOM LAKE?

Groom Lake is at Nellis, same thing. There is an Alien  Technical
Group at Nellis, and there is another one near Dulce, New Mexico,
on an Indian reservation.

HOW DO WE KNOW THAT'S TRUE?

That's  what the documents stated. It turns out there is a  large
magnetic  anomaly where the base is.  Perhaps  ground-penetrating
radar  would show what's inside, allegedly it is all  honeycombed
with  tunnels.  The document explains how to get  in,  where  the
doors are.

IS IT GUARDED?

No,  it's  not guarded. That would only attract  attention,  they
would  have to explain what it is. But once you go in, you  never
come out. I can take you there if you want.

WHAT WERE THE TWO DOCUMENTS THAT YOU USED FOR THE BRIEFINGS?  CAN
YOU DESCRIBE THEM?

The  thickest  one was a book, about three-quarters  of  an  inch
thick,  called "Grudge/Blue Book Report Number 13". People  think
Blue  Book was under the Air Force, but it wasn't. Blue Book  was
under Grudge, which in turn was assigned to the Air Force to run.
It had to do with abductees and implants.

WHAT WAS THE OTHER DOCUMENT?

It was an outline on Operation Majority, which also covered  Blue
Book.

HAS ANYONE ELSE SEEN THESE DOCUMENTS?

There  is  a  man  named  Bill English  who  is  in  hiding  near
Albuquerque, and who has seen the same things I did. He is afraid
for  his  life. They have already tried to kill  him  twice.  The
government  blew up a van in which he was riding with  two  other
fellows.  They  died, and he's lucky to have  escaped.  The  only
reason  nothing  happens  to  me is that  I  talk  to  people,  I
disseminate all the information I have. You must realize that for
a long time I kept it all inside, because I thought it was in the
interest of the country, and I had a high sense of duty. I  don't
have  that  sense anymore. It's all wrong. Too many  people  have
been killed because of this. It's completely illegal, and we have
been betrayed by the Aliens. We live under immense danger now.

HOW DID THIS OTHER MAN, BILL ENGLISH, GET TO SEE THE DOCUMENTS?

He  was  a  captain  in the U.S. Army,  Special  Forces.  He  was
assigned  as  an  information  analyst at  a  British  base.  The
document  came in the regular pouch. He was not supposed  to  see
it,  it was an error in routing. So he was kicked  out.  Attempts
were made on his life. He was ridiculed. Some people even said he
was on LSD!

WHAT  DID  YOU THINK OF THE 'COVER-UP" DOCUMENTARY,  RELEASED  BY
SELIGMAN?

It was part of the damned contingency plan, a deliberate  attempt
by  the  government to confuse people. Perhaps  I  shouldn't  say
this,  but  some  of  the  participants  are  informers  for  the
government.

WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE DOCUMENTARY, THEN?

To lead people away from the truth. All the Majestic-12 documents
that  Moore  has  presented were obvious fakes. It  was  done  to
discredit  the  people associated with that research.  The  whole
thing  read like a chapter in his book about the  Roswell  crash,
there  was  nothing new in it. The pictures of  Aliens  were  not
right. And Majestic-12 was not formed by Truman, as they implied.

DO YOU THINK IT IS EASY TO FOOL PEOPLE?

The truth is so incredible...Look at this magnificent ship. (They
were  aboard the Queen Mary) Imagine the Queen Mary sailing  past
an island where the population was still living in the Stone Age.
What  would they say about it? That's our situation with  respect
to alien craft.

PRECISELY.  THE QUEEN MARY DOESN'T BOTHER TO ENTER INTO A  TREATY
WITH  THE  KING  OF EVERY LITTLE ISLAND.  AGAIN,  BILL,  I  DON'T
UNDERSTAND WHY THE ALIENS WOULD NEED A FORMAL TREATY WITH US,  IF
THEY  ARE SO ADVANCED. IT SEEMS TO ME THEY WOULD JUST  IGNORE  US
COMPLETELY.

They need to make sure the government would keep their  existence
from the public.

I  HAVE HEARD FROM JOHN, AND ALSO FROM LINDA HOWE, THAT THE  NAME
OF ALLEN HYNEK WAS MENTIONED IN REPORT-13?

Mentioned? He was the co-author of the damned thing!!! Hynek  was
completely involved in it, in the study of the abductions and the
implants. He even made the statement that one person in forty has
been  abducted and has received an implant. Of course, many  more
people have simply been abducted. The scary part is, what if  the
people who are in the government have all been implanted already?

ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT I KNEW HYNEK VERY WELL, AND THAT  WHAT
YOU  SAY ABOUT HIM MAKES NO SENSE TO SOMEONE WHO KNEW  THE  MAN'S
CHARACTER.

And all I can tell you is what was in that document. Hynek's name
was on the cover, and inside there were pictures of the  Holloman
landing, photos of Aliens, autopsy tables, and details of Project
Red-light, where we actually try to fly their craft, and  Project
Snowbird,  a cover for Red-light using  conventional  technology,
and  so  on. By the way, their craft don't crash  when  they  are
disabled,  they  settle in the impact crater where the  dirt  has
been pushed aside.

THERE  IS A CONTRADICTION HERE. BLUE BOOK, FROM WHAT I  SAW,  WAS
MOSTLY  A  PUBLIC RELATIONS PROJECT. THERE WAS  NO  FOLLOW-UP  ON
CASES, IN FACT. HYNEK KEPT COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT.

There  was  no  follow-up because they already  knew  what  those
things  were. But they still had to explain then to  the  public.
One  of the documents said specifically that he cases they  can't
explain should be referred to Philip Klass, who works in  cahoots
with the intelligence community. You know, things are never  what
they seem to be anymore.

WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE PURPOSE OF THE IMPLANTS?

Nobody knows. When an attempt is made to remove them, the  person
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dies.

WAIT A MINUTE. IF THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE 1953, MANY OF  THE
IMPLANTED  PEOPLE  MUST ALREADY HAVE DIED  OF  PERFECTLY  NATURAL
CAUSES. IT WOULD BE A SIMPLE MATTER TO REMOVE THE IMPLANT  DURING
THE  AUTOPSY  AND STUDY IT. DON'T YOU THINK A  PATHOLOGIST  WOULD
NOTICE IT AND BE INTRIGUED ENOUGH TO TAKE IT APART?

(No Answer)

BILL,  IF WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME CAN BE PROVEN, WE WILL  HAVE  TO
RECONSIDER  EVERYTHING  WE  KNOW ABOUT THIS PROBLEM.  I  HAVE  NO
QUESTION THAT YOU ARE TELLING ME WHAT YOU BELIEVE, AND IF YOU SAY
YOU HAVE SEEN THIS REPORT-13, I AM WILLING TO TRUST YOU. BUT  THE
FACT THAT HYNEK'S NAME WAS ASSOCIATED WITH IT MAKES ME THINK THAT
IT WAS A COMPLETE FABRICATION.

I have seen the report myself and Hynek's name is on it.

SO WHAT DO YOU THINK SHOULD BE DONE NOW?

The  information should be disseminated to the public, as  widely
as possible.

DO YOU THINK THE PRESIDENT KNOWS?

Yes,  Bush  must  know, as a former  member  of  MJ-12.  Previous
presidents  were  only told what THEY wanted them  to  know.  The
President  would  have to blurt it out in the middle of  a  press
conference,  before  they  were aware that he was  going  to  say
anything.  Don't  you see? If the information was  released,  the
intelligence  community would collapse. Nobody would  ever  trust
those  people  again. As you know, Reagan  classified  everything
about UFOs. Nobody who does any work with the government can talk
about the subject, even if they do unclassified work.

YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY MEAN THAT! FOR ONE THING, IT WOULD VIOLATE THE
FIRST  AMENDMENT. FOR ANOTHER, NO ONE WOULD OBEY SUCH  AN  ORDER.
THE  GOVERNMENT  HASN'T EVEN DEFINED WHAT A UFO IS! IT  WOULD  BE
LIKE  YOUR  ASKING  ME  TO KEEP SECRET WHAT  WE  HAD  FOR  DINNER
TONIGHT, OR WHAT WE SAID TO EACH OTHER. YOU COULD NEVER FORCE  ME
TO  DO IT. I HAVEN'T AGREED TO IT IN ADVANCE.  FURTHERMORE  THERE
ARE PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHAT WE HAD FOR DINNER TONIGHT, SO I COULDN'T
KEEP IT A SECRET EVEN IF I WANTED TO!

Reagan  ordered that no one doing any kind of business  with  the
U.S. government must discuss UFOs.

LET'S TALK MORE ABOUT THE ALIENS. WHY ARE THEY COMING HERE IN THE
FIRST PLACE?

There  is a document about Project Aquarius that deals  with  the
history of the Aliens and their interaction with Homo sapiens for
the last twenty-five thousand years. This interaction  culminated
with  the Basque culture and the Assyrans. But  Project  Aquarius
was closed. Their planet has turned into a desert following a war
they  had with another race. They have been devastated, they  are
in  evolutionary  decline, their digestive system  is  atrophied.
They come here in search of new genetic material.

THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE!

The government believes it!

HOW LONG DO THE ALIENS LIVE?

They  told us they lived four hundred and fifty years.  The  live
Alien  who  was left on Earth after Holloman was named  Krll.  He
gave  lots  of information, scientific data, some  of  which  was
published in the open scientific literature under the name O.  H.
Krill, after being sanitized. Very advanced stuff. Krill is still
alive.  Their biology is well-understood. They are  air-breathing
creatures like us, although the heart is connected to their lungs
as a single organ. Their digestive system is atrophied. They  are
chlorophyll-based,   plant-like,   if  you  will.   They   absorb
nourishment  through the skin, and they excrete through the  skin
too.

WHAT ABOUT THEIR BRAINS?

They  have two brains, separated by a bone partition,  but  going
into the same spinal cord.

DO YOU KNOW ANY DOCTOR WHO MIGHT HAVE ATTENDED THE ALIENS OR DONE
AN AUTOPSY?

Look  up the name Dr. Guillermo Mendoza. He nursed the one  Alien
who  died. He was a biologist, not an M.D. By the way,  they  did
feed the Alien ice cream, which he could eat in small  quantities
through a membrane in his mouth, and he did like strawberry.  And
he  was  partial  to Tibetan music. That  part  of  the  Seligman
"Cover-Up" documentary was true.

HOW DO THEY COMMUNICATE?

Among  themselves,  they communicate telepathically. They  use  a
translation device with us. When they first came, they  contacted
our scientists in binary code. You know, I'm not a religious man.
But  if  you look at the Bible. The Angels could  be  the  Nordic
types  and the Grays could well be the demonic ones.  After  all,
the  Bible  talks about a pact with the Devil in the  last  days,
after Israel is reinstated. Leading to Armageddon.

WHAT DID THE ALIENS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT?

The  information they gave us wasn't just scientific  data.  They
provided much on the occult side. They claimed that had a lot  to
do  with our religion. They spoke about witchcraft and  cults  on
Earth.

SO WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT ALL THAT?

I  am going to get the information out. I have resigned  from  my
job.  To begin with, I'm organizing a symposium at  Anaheim.  The
profits will be used to build up a reward fund for those who want
to  come  up  and  reveal what they  know.  Then  I'll  take  the
symposium to all the major cities.

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